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What a hypocrite, Madonna stans are the worse. Kylie is having a massive hit with a new song and doesn’t need to use younger artists to enter the top 100.

What a short memory you have. Dua Lipa, Robbie Williams, Taio Cruz?

Good thing you've only mentioned the top 100, otherwise I'd be here all day listing all the other collaborations.

Kylie's fans have been trolling Madonna for decades out of jealousy. Why tell lies?

I can see why Kylie's fans are jealous of Madonna's accomplishments, but she IS undeniably and undisputedly still the Queen of Pop, regardless of what you may think of her, and she will continue to own that title even in death, the same way Michael Jackson has. Kylie, as far as I'm aware, is only big in United Kingdom and Australia, and even then it's debatable, but she is never going to be the Queen of Pop in this lifetime or the next. It's laughable to think Kylie fans are still trying it after all these years and going to so many lengths do downgrade Madonna with a mediocre novelty track like, Padam that charted at 23 in the United Kingdom lol. Madonna has already conquered the world, so there's not much more to be said. History can't be rewritten, so it's time you dealt with it!

Outside the UK nobody knows her! Thats the hilarious part. Brits and their 'we are the world' mentality 😂😂😂

Fact is Kylie idolises Madonna even after decades of being ripped apart by the UK media for plagiarising her

…nah. kylie’s global stats are nonexistent compared to madonna’s. besides, she’s still enjoying success rn - she’s got a song with the weeknd and playboi carti that’s projected to go top 30, her special edition vinyl (150 quid, by the way!!) topped pre-order charts on amazon, and she’s got plenty of sold-out tours coming up.

kylie’s album will almost definitely debut atop the uk charts, no doubt about it. but for now, how about you wait until september when it drops and see how commercially well it does GLOBALLY, and then you can come back to me

The only reason Kylie is ALLOWED to release pop music aged 54, is because of Cher & Madonna breaking that taboo constantly, more so Madonna as Cher hasnt had a hit since 1999. Kylie stans dont really get it though... they're a bit thick! way back in 2015 when Madonna released the nuanced hit Living for Love, Radio 1 made a HUGE deal about not playing her.... it was a media stunt, publicity because mentioning Madonna's name anywhere is guaranteed to gain attention. Gaga does it, Elton does it, Cher does it, Piers Morgan does it.... and just Ask Kylie! Yet again on her US media mini tour this past week, I've heard Madonna's name mentioned more than i have Kylie's. And thats why Madonna will forever be the supreme queen of popular music. Its not just about the chart stats (between Madonna & Kylie, they're laughable!), but its about being politically, socially & culturally relevant & groundbreaking. None of which apply to Kylie sadly

What we really need to do is check back when Kylie is 64, see if shes been Radio 1 B listed like Madonna has been 2 weeks before Kylie was C listed, also see if shes released a record breaking remix album that spent 34 weeks on chart with no gimmicky promo, see if shes sold over 1.8 million concert tickets world wide... with more dates being added daily. Lets check back in 10 years and see

I've never understood the rivalry between Kylie and Madonna fans. It's like Aldi and Harrods respectively, there's no comparison.

Oh, pull the other one. Kylie's fans always sprint to any article written
about Madonna, and that includes her chart page, and they even delete their posts to try and hide the fact they started it in the first place when people like you try to blame us - Mathew Northgate is a prime example, and this thread alone proves they're at fault since all we're doing is responding to their bull. They didn't even have to mention Kylie, since we know who supports and dislikes who around here.

I suggest you take a look at the Madonna thread on Sayhey. That thread had to be closed due to the spiteful Kylie fans trashing Madonna, and it's still there now (dated the time of Madonna's super bowl). Their hate permeates other forums, and not just on Sayhey. I could post links to threads on other forums like Digital Spy to prove it. Madonna fans aren't claiming to be innocent, but Kylie's fans act like we're the one's at fault every single time when it's not the case, they should also take part of the blame and stop trying to worm their way out of it when they get called out on their BS.

Coming from you? lol. There's clips out there, but not the entire song. Madonna's voice isn't doctored either, which is a plus.

I'm just here to witness the hypocrisy and double-standards of Madonna fans. That on it's own is thoroughly entertaining. From October to December when he was compared to Kylie (as usual) and Elton John for his multiple #1s, and his staying relevent by collaborating, Madonna 'didn't need to herself out' according to the commenters here. She wasn't having hits either, so it looks like she now needs to. Or has come kicking and screaming into the streaming era and the normal practice of collaborating which seems shocking to Madonna fans seem to keep their knowledge of music marketing to the 20th century. Much like Madonna and her promotion team too by the looks of it, having stuggled to trouble the chart compilers for the best part of 20 years.

Another example is Madonna 'not caring about chart stats' while Kylie and Mr. Dwight do apparently. I mean, I wouldn't either if I'm not adding to them! But come this collaboration where the liklihood of that changes, then all of a sudden so does her interest in charts. Funny that.

How is Madonna 'not desprately promoting' / 'needing films' etc. going? Objectively judgnug by chart performances, not well, having had just a handful of top 40 weeks in the last 15 years.

Whereas the like of Queen, Abba, Elton John, Elvis, The Beatles were all selling well before their films, live events, new material and have increased profile since their releases. Again, objectively, almost all of these artists have not left the top 40 in the 6 years since streaming counted towards the album chart, and all have been ever-present on the top 75 in those 300+ weeks. Not to mention acts like Fleetwood Mac, Michael Jackson and Bob Marley, who have not had any of this new promotion activity and are dead or some members of the band are, yet they are still charting higher than Madonna and have also been doing so for those 300-odd weeks of streaming. Thus proving, it can be done without major promotion events.

Why is this? Is there something genuinely wrong with Madonna, her material and/or her promotion team?

If she was any good, she would be as consistently in the charts as all of the above...

Sorry but everyone reading this go on Kylie’s page and you will see this person making endless comments about how bad Kylie is. This person is the very thing they claim not to be. Irony is lost on them.

Your right I did, after all the negativity Madonna's received from K fans over the years. You all love to dish it out, but cry when it gets thrown back in your face. You can't have it both ways.

You need to take your brain for a defecate elsewhere old man. Madonna has not been bothering the charts in 20 years??? What charts are you referring to??? Lol i think a quick scan of the global charts over the past 20 years show that her American Life Album hit number 1 in 29 countries, Confessions album reached number 1 in 2005/6 and topped out at number 1 in a record breaking 42 countries, Hard Candy 28 countries. Celebration the Hits 15 countries, MDNA 19 countries Rebel Heart 15 and Madame X 14. Whats not successful about that old man?

The chart acts you refer to such as ABBA, Elton & Elvis doing better than Madonna 1. Older acts. And 2. are either relying on old music re packaged or are 3. parasitising the young like Elton! His last few hits are because of youth not his work! Something he dragged Madonna for when she worked with Britney back in 2003 when she was in her late 30's! Hardly the fossil he is now!

Re Kylie LOL there just isnt even room to bother this conversation with her. 1 camp tacky song lifting into the top 40.... not groundbreaking. Shes local. In every sense!

And for the record, in the UK Madonna's albums are still continuing to sell as True Blue, The Immaculate Collection just got re certified as 13 x platinum & 9 x platinum respectively with her others to follow suit. indeed they are also globally. She currently sits at number 2 in the US on billboards top 200 most successful chart acts of all time. Above Elton, Mariah, Elvis, Michael Jackson and only the Beatles above her. As for her sales this past few decades, Madonna's output has waned as she focuses on other aspects of her life. Not because her popularity has slumped, but because she's just not released new music. Since 2012 for example Madonna has released just 3 albums, Kylie in comparison 6 plus a slew of EPs with over 21 formats in some cases. Thats not success, thats desperation

And ultimately, if Madonna were SO unpopular, Vegas wouldnt be throwing millions at her for a residency (which shes turned down!), nor would her recent tour with zero new music to promote, have sold over 1.5 million tickets in little over a few dates globally, with more nations being added daily. Theres NO question here, with over 400 million albums sold and a career emulated by hundreds of other female pop stars. She remain the pinnacle of her profession and staunch ally of the LGBT community. Your misogynistic drivel and unsubstantiated 'personal'
Opinions about her are just that. Opinions.

Consistently in the charts??? Lol i dont see any in the charts though! Lol

You do also realise Madonna is the most streamed female artist of the pre streaming era??? LOL she has 10 singles that have garnered over 400 million streams each. Fleetwood Mac, Michael Jackson and all these old artists you mention.... none have released new music, its just old fans streaming and buying re packaged hits albums. Only ABBA & Elton have released new music Lol that didnt do that well. How many are making new music like Madonna??? None. And i just read now that 2 of Madonna's albums in the US have gone diamond. Warners are currently in the process of re certifying her whole back catalogue as they collate data of sales from the past 40 years. You were saying???

Read it again. I'm not about exclusively new music, but release events: Queen, Elton, Elvis and Abba have all had films, 2 have had stage shows, Fleetwood Mac have had deaths in the band and a new greatest hits. Events can reignite interest in catalogues, which can be even more lucrative than new music. If you don't see any on the charts, then you can't have been looking at these UK charts at any time in the last 7 years! Between them they currently occupy positions 10, 11, 16, 24, 25, 29, 34, 42, and 52, and none have missed even a single week in over 250 weeks. If I remember rightly, Madonna has averaged less than 3 weeks a year in the top 75 since 2017.

How you can claim to genuinely not see any of these acts on chart and retain any credibility in your argument is beyond me. I'm not really interested in discussion with fools.

If it is 'just old fans streaming and buying repackaged hits albums', that's more than Madonna fans in the UK are doing!

Please, save your lectureous responses. They dont make sense and nobody reads them. But i did pick up on your claims re the charts. Ah! You're talking about the apple charts LOL. A quick skirt over the official album charts show NO albums by Fleetwood Mac, Elton or ABBA. But Madonna does have 2 in the top 200. Finally Enough Love is enjoying its 33rd week on chart (a UK record for a remix album) & The Immaculate Collection which has never left the UK top 200 albums since its release. Meanwhile somebody must be buying her albums as The Immaculate Collection just got re certified as 12 x platinum & True Blue 9 x platinum in the UK. She has 15 singles that have each amassed over 300 million streams each and her back catalogue is currently be re certified as i type. Sorry to disappoint! Shes just going to add to her tally as one of the most successful recording artists of all time... in fact. The second most successful on US charts too

First off Madonna has had no new album out since 2019. Second she hasnt died, nor has she re united with a band, and she hasnt had a legacy theatre show out or life story movie to plug! ALL of which are massive factors that have helped those legacy artists you so revere and pit against her in a bid to demean her success, and elevate theirs! You're a misogynist. And no manner of pitting her against acts that have, in some cases, 30 years in the industry on her, will deflect from the fact shes the most influential recording artist of all time. With over 400 million albums sold WW, she submerges all the acts you speak of bar ABBA and thats debatable! . somehow Madonna has still managed to outsell all of them globally. And yet you say no one is buying her music??? Lol please

As for her weeks on chart, you're deluded. Since 2017 shes had just 1 studio album out and a remix album with no new music to plug, it has just spent a record breaking 33 weeks in the UK top 200. Ray of Light, American Life and a slew of classic EP's have ALL
Re entered the album charts since 2017 with nothing to promo them like the acts you pit her against. Her Immaculate Collection album has never left the top 200 in 30 years. Most likely the reason its now a 4.5 million seller in the UK. WHEN Madonna decides to plug a tacky duets album like Elton, a broadway show of her life like Queen or an avatar show like ABBA, expect her music to recenter the charts. But i wouldnt wait, shes not interested in plugging old albums like Fleetwood Mac or ABBA, she's still firing new material into the upper reaches of the charts world wide. Cant say the same for the others

Being that this is the UK charts page, I'm disussing the be all and end all: the UK charts that are on display here. I don't care about getting to #1 by selling 3 copies in Southern Rhodesia or St. Helena. Once again, my argument still stands. Even if the older acts are 'relying on old music', said old music is outselling and outperforming on UK charts, Madonna's old, new or otherwise music. As most of them are dead or just as inactive, they (like Madonna) have focussed on 'other aspects', yet still sell more than her! Everything you denegrate the other acts for, Madonna is relying on for modern success: multiple formats, parasiting the young (it was very kind of her to get a vanity credit on Sam Smith's record so he could have a hit - to use your argument of Elton)

I also said BARELY on chart, not 'none at all': Just over 100 top 75 weeks since Confessions (which had more than a little help from an aforemntioned Abba), a total almost matched by the previous 3 albums in 4 years, which itself is almost matched by Music alone in 2000-1. Her total from 2000-2005 far eclipses the total since. 14 years since she had an album spend over 10 weeks in the top 40 and only achieved 6 times this century, compared to all 12 releases of the 20th century achieving this feat. If that doesn't signify a genuine and verifyable decline in popularity, especially in the UK, I don't know what does.

The stats available here very much substantiate my 'opinion'.

If Madonna was selling in the UK as well as you claim she is worldwide, she would average more than just the 8 top 75 weeks a year demonstrated above. 8 weeks a year down from a peak of over a hundred for several years is barely troubling the compilers. Even Kate Bush is outperforming her for 2022 with literally zero effort.

you're very angry for someone that claims not to be a kylie fan. did this weeks charts put you in a bad mood and scupper your plans to boast about kylie rising above the top 20? oh dear! then again, it could be the fact that both of madonna's new singles are receiving a lot of adoration, specially the one with the weeknd, which was just played on Z100 in NY. or maybe it's because two of the world's biggest streaming acts have joined forces with madonna, while kylie is left with the likes of none entities, olly alexander and jessie ware. going by madonna's latest instagram story, you probably won't want to hear about the weeknd co-producing madonna's next studio album. what a nasty end to the week for what kylie fans had originally planned as a celebration. lol

To chart in the UK as per any nation there has to be music, platform & a reason for promotion. Each of the respective artists you use as a measuring stick against Madonna's alleged poor chart performance, have major projects or, have been given a world wide platform to promo some historic work, for example nobody was interested in Kate Bush until her historic song was given a platform on a major TV show, has Madonna had the same opportunity with a classic hit? . Since 2019 Madonna has remained pretty much inactive musically with the exception of a remix package thats just spent its 33rd record breaking week on chart in the UK and remains in the top 200 of the united world chart, something you conveintlty and consistently dismiss, and why dismiss charts elsewhere?? Is it because artists like Kylie & Fleetwood Mac simply dont do as well outside the UK and therefore cant back up your sorry argument? Kylies chart presence outside the UK is practically non existent. Same for many of the acts you cite

Without his Rocket Man Movie & celeb collab album plus tour, nothing of Eltons would have charted this past 8 years. ABBA released the first new material in 40 years, how is that even a comparison to Madonna??? Lol we already know that ABBA Gold & Madonna's Immaculate Collection are a constant on the charts. So im not quite sure why you think these comparisons prove Madonna's music isnt selling or, that shes no longer popular in the UK. Shes always popular and always selling. Her tour has just sold out 8 nights straight at Londons O2. With zero promo or new music to plug. Elton had to have a movie, 2 albums and a theatre production just to get his tour off the ground! As for Kylie, her touring consisted basically of a festival add on act for the past 5 years as shes no longer able to sell out arenas on her own

Finally. Every artists goes in oeaks and troughs. ABBA barely sold any music in the 80's or 90's, neither did fleetwood Mac. Kylie had to make do with 1 number 1 album in the 90's and that was a hits collection, she barely scraped 1 number 1 album in the 00's too and just 1 number 1 album in the 10's. That was WITH major projects to promo. Madonna?? Shes landed a number 1 in 4 decades. 5th? She hasnt released anything this decade to chart.

And reaping over Madonna's past chart statistics, which i might add your sources are dubious to say the least! Prove, not much! She will have new music soon with or without collaborators. Which reminds me, Eltons only chart hits recently were because of younger acts.... you were saying about Madonna??

'14 years since she had an album spend over 10 weeks in the top 40 and only achieved 6 times this century, compared to all 12 releases of the 20th century achieving this feat. If that doesn't signify a genuine and verifyable decline in popularity, especially in the UK, I don't know what does'

Utter rubbish. This has more to do with physical output than it does weeks on chart AND changes in the way people consume music. Interesting that between 1998 -2008 Madonna was the most illegally downloaded chart act world wide. A factor that led to the development of streaming.

But show me a legacy act without including a hits package from them, that has had an album spend more than 10 weeks on any chart. I wont wait! So why single her out?! Lol

Is this not a case of changes within the music industry and a decline FOR ALL legacy artists as streaming took over?? I think so. Since 2000 Madonna's album output has been consistently lower than in her first 2 decades which is the norm as most artists mature and, priorities take hold. yet that output dwarfs some of her peers such as Cher and ABBA not to mention Kylie & Elton who've relied heavily on hits packages, movie soundtracks and other forms of compilation albums to boost sales.

And i ask the question again, as Warner Bros begin to tackle the gargantuan task of collating her actual sales in the UK and indeed globally, if her albums arnet selling, then why are a glut of her albums from 1983 - 2015 waiting re certification as they drop in and out of the charts and increase to either platinum or multi platinum status? And there are many other factors at play here besides her NOT having a prolific output this past decade. Rebel Heart for example her first album since 2012 suffered a major leak weeks before its release. This massively affected her sales. But still it managed to peak at number 1 in key territories and sell an estimated 2.5 million. Not sure other artists could claim the same. It also sowaned 2 top
75 hits

You also say artists like Kate Bush, Elton, Queen, etc are selling.... consistently over the same time frame you placed for Madonna??? In the UK or globally, nope.

Had Madonna been more prolific with her releases this past decade then her chart presence would also increase. Not a difficult concept to grasp. Take away those legacy hits albums from all the artists you mention, none would even be present on chart in the past 14 years. Madonna was

Very little of that interests me. Therefore I have no anger at all either towards Madonna, or a lack of Kylie. Until any of the acts or records have something noteworthy in a quirky chart perfomance, I pay little attention. I'm more interested in the chart patterns than any single act. Therefore the chance we may have 2 10-week #1 in one year is more interesting than a record that hasn't been released. I've never heard of Z100, but I doubt it will have much impact on the UK charts.

You must be reading them to respond to them.

Oh I get it now. There's an Apple chart now? Like I say, it really sounds as if you're looking at completely different charts to me, and I'm looking exclusively at these official charts here on this site. Like your understanding of '200k' selling singles that hit #26. Maybe you mistook it for 200k streams? That's a lot less than 200k sales equivalents!

Look at the correct charts and you'll find Elton at #10, Fleetwood at #11, and Abba at 16 with greatest hits. Fleetwood further have a studio album at #29. You have a funny idea of 'no albums'. As you yourself or your allies have said, Madonna's albums have been under-certified for years. A new certificate doesn't necessarily mean current sales, but her label bothering to apply for the certificate. Potentially decades after he sales that earned it.

A single that peaks at 26 selling 200k is not unheard of...

Fleetwood have recently had a member pass, deaths spike sales and there are plenty of recent deaths to testify this. It rarely remains sustained or reflects an artists continual trajectory. George Michael, Prince, Tina & Bowie all examples. ABBA's is never out of the charts with Gold, but then neither is Madonna with her Immaculate Collection, shes also still in the top 200 a year after the release of her remix album thats not benefitting from deaths, tours, or legacy packages. ABBA are also currently hosting a unique avatar tour, and as for Elton, he is currently benefitting from
being on tour, his final one. All reasons to cause spikes in sales and places on charts. Madonna hasnt released anything nor is she engaging in anything thst would cause her to have chart placings. Still she has 2 albums in the top 200.

Her music certification in the US is different to the UK. The UK certifies them without a request from record company. And in the past 12 months she's had multiple re certifications in the UK and multiple in the US. In order to get those certifications, one must 'sell' the albums.

Other than 2 collections on chart Madonna has no other reason to have music in the charts since 2019, because she hasnt released any new music in about 5 years. Reasons ABBA, Elton, Kylie, Fleetwood Mac have music on chart, is because they have either released music/packages, or, have significant music events happening.

When Madonna starts her world tour in a couple of months, expect her albums to re chart the way they have everytime she has toured.

Its quite simple really

LOL

It is in the 21st century UK streaming era, and most of the physical era too for that matter. The biggest selling single not to reach the top 10 only sold 300,000, peaking at 12. Please do more research.

I told you all of that. Except, Immaculate Collection isn't selling in UK (unlike Abba Gold). Last in the top 75 15 years ago, last in the top 40 in 2006 for a total 1 week. In fact just 2 weeks in the top 40 for the whole of the last 20 years and a bit beyond. Abba Gold spent all 52 weeks of 2021 in the top 40, by contrast. And the other acts were all selling before these big events. The events just maintain the sales and publicity momentum that was already there. Down at the top 200, we must be talking of sales under 100 units a week.

It could well have 200k streams, equivalent to about 10,000 sales. That's quite plausible to just miss the top 20 with those total sales figures.

The statistics I quote are objective facts. They are right here on this site if you want to check them for yourself. You won't of course because it doesn't fit your narrative. I'm only singling Madonna because YOU are. Otherwise I have little to no interest in her. The aforementioned Elton is one of the legacy acts to spend 10 weeks or more in the top 75 with new material. It's credited as his solo album (Lockdown Sessions) whether you like it or not.

Yes Madonna has declined as you describe in absolute terms (sales, streaming, lower peaks etc. since 2000). But she has also declined against competitor legacy acts, as I'm demonstrating with the stats. The competitor acts are having events, but that is the point. It's those events that are keeping themselves relevent, while Madonna gets left behind and forgotten. Her marketing team should really be doing more to keep her profile up. That said, I wouldn't call Cher and Abba her 'peers'. At 10 to 20 years her senior, they are a generation or 2 older in terms of pop career cycles (about 5 years) and at least a generation older in terms of age too.

Someone more her contemporary would be Bananarama, Cyndi Lauper or Bangles. Possibly Phil collins if you count solo career only.

It is a simple fact that in the streaming era, even new acts struggle to get a 10-week album on the chart. The established current stars Ed, Adele and Taylor can do it. Olivia Rodrigo is a new debut artist who achieved the feat, but very few others (Tom Grennan, George Ezra). It's the nature of today's charts, not just a problem for legacy acts. 60 of the current top 75 have been on chart for 6 months or more. In the mean time there have been a slew of 1-week hits. Many in the top 10, some at #1.

Who asked for that information??? Had your account deleted but you're here under a different guise with ridiculous information nobody cares about. Be quiet or we'll have you deleted again. Bore off

The Immaculate Collection has just been re certified in the UK & US. Must we do this again under your new guise??? Her remix collection Finally Enough Love also spent 33 weeks in the uk album chart and is poised to re enter week ending june. Not selling you say???

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For the 5th time.... Madonna's last studio albums all peaked in the top 2 album charts globally. Elton, Fleetwood Mac are not able to put studio albums in the the top 10 anywhere without the addition of younger artists so this isnt a like for like. The Immaculate Collection has just been re certified in nations around the globe. It still sits in the top 100 itunes charts and top 200 albums charts. Finally Enough Love her remix album spent 33 weeks in the UK album chart alone and is poised to re enter end of june.

You can regurgitate the same boring statistics over and over from your new account but it all falls on deaf ears. They do not represent an equal situation. Madonna isnt even in the same category or era as Elton, ABBA or Fleetwood Mac for god sake. She came up in the 80's, the others nearly 15 years before her. They are not a comparison.

Maybe compare her to Whitney, Mariah, Janet Jackson or Celine Dion, Kylie or any number of stars from HER era with like for like musical genre. Not ageing rockers who came up 15 years prior! Besides, globally Madonna has outsold ALL the artists you pitch her against, and she fid it in LESS time.

As for using albums currently on chart as a way of proving her lack of popularity.... LOL lets look at that more closely! ABBA have a brand new state of the art tour bringing fans to their music, Elton has put out multiple collaborations with YOUNG stars, Fleetwood Mac had a death... ALL publicity or public events that draw people in to their catalogues. Madonna??? Lets look... The Immaculate Collection re entered the UK album chart in 2012 after Madonnas record breaking superbowl, it re entered after her Brits performance in 2015, it re entered the the album charts in 2019 after her Madame X tour along with albums Ray of Light & Music.... in 2014 alone The Immaculate Collection sold 31'400 copies with NO promo or activity from Madonna globally... it has just been re certified in the UK as selling nearly 4 million. And will keep on selling

So carry on with your pointless dirge.... when Madonna hits the road on her already record breaking tour, expect her back catalogue once again, to fly. Oh, and under her legacy deal with time warner, she has been releasing ALL her classic singles and their remix packages, digitally for the first time. ALL entered the itunes global top 20. She now has 4 songs with over 350 million streams each and is the only artist to have a video from 5 decades on youtube with 100 million views, each. She has also passed 35 million active listeners on spotify and her new single Popular is yet another global chart success as it reached the UK too 40 & billboard charts where she is the second most successful artist on that chart behind only the beatles. Bye !

And yet Taylor swifts album sales in the UK are abysmal. And with each release Adeles album sales have also declined on the previous effort, along with Ed Sheerans. Madonna was producing 10 million + selling studio albums into her 3rd decade and certainly putting out top 10 efforts into her 4th & 5th that were not compilations or relying on gimmicks like Elton or ABBA.

ABBA Gold, Madonna The Immaculate Collection are hits packages that will keep tracking in and out of global charts forever. And were ABBA to put out a new album (which they did!) then of course it would be a success, why? Because the element of surprise. Nobody ever thought it would happen just like nobody ever thought Madonna would embrace her record breaking back catalog and tour it, hence the overwhelming demand for her tickets globally.

Why are you posting from yet another account? Your pointless lengthy posts with information that goes nowhere, are literally clogging up this feed.

I'm not. Click on my name, and you'll notice it is simply the old account re-named. My name doesn't need to be advertised. It's clearly there for anyone to look for though. This feed doesn't really need to exist.

Elton has been working with younger artists for longer than Madonna has had a career. At the end of the 90's he was already the artist to have hits with the most collaborations (12), let alone now with Ed, Dua Lipa and few others. Let's just say he knows how to network and is in demand. I think we both know an artist of Madonna's supposed stature should be ringing in 100-200m active listeners, and at least one 1-Billion-play video/song (and realistically, with her catalogue, at least 5!)

Rick Beato showed there are many acts her senior with many more current listeners: Queen, Eagles, Fleetwood Mac, AC/DC, David Bowie to name a few. Even a few more recent, closer to her mid-career like Nirvana. Nirvana (long-dead act)are out-performing the Foo Fighters (last week's #1). The ones that seem to do reltively poorly are those that are/were on the Warner/Atlantic group, who tend to block their music rather than monetise/promote it.

When 3 quarters of those '33' weeks are below the top 75, no. It's not really selling. Just 8 top 75 weeks, like most others. 10-week albums are almost unheard of nowadays unless they make it to a full year. 60 of the current top 75 were on chart back in December.

Check again, and you'll find I 'deleted' myself.

So if Elton has been working with younger artists longer than Madonna's 40+ year career, why did Elton feel it necessary to publicly criticise a then 44 year old Madonna, for working with Britney Spears in 2003 ???? He called her a parasite & a ...

Most likely because his faded style of music was no longer relevant at that time and he was jealous of her success. He's also a vile misogynist

Regarding Madonna's musical achievements in the UK & globally, one just needs to google. Its all there. Thats on the understanding you know how to 'google'

Madonna currently has a combined official youtube views total of : 5,382,194,241
Current daily avg: 4, 843,619 views. She is the only female artist to have a video in 5 decades with over 300'000'000 views each. She also has an active following of 41 million on Spotify, thats the second most behind Beyonce for female artists of the pre streaming era. Her entire back catalogue (singles, digital remix EP's etc of which there are 79) have only been available since 2022 on streaming & digital services. Something Warner acknowledge as a major factor contributing to her lack of digital & streaming presence. But which is now solidly performing well.

Also congratulations for Madonna in achieving 12 x platinum status for Like A Virgin & The Immaculate Collection in the US & 13 x platinum in the UK for sales of 3.95 million (does not include the 425'000 copies sold via music clubs)

33 weeks are 33 weeks, its still selling its still being streamed

Your account got deleted or reported

Maybe try it again. Your pointless points are clogging up valuable comments

Except it didn't. I'll happily change it back to prove if you wish. But I'll change it back again to anonymous after.

33 (or 25) meaningless weeks when other albums are judged on other metrics.

I've not heard that comment from Reg. Less than 5 years after releasing the biggest selling record in UK and world in all recorded history is hardly 'faded'. So I can't speak for him if he ever said it at all. I sure know how to Google, but it does throw up some rather spurious and unverified claims.

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Oh he did, and cashing in on Dianas death is hardly 'current'. He faded into oblivion after that until he started freeloading off younger artists . Now he just looks like an overweight parody of himself

Neither are we on this feed from you so....

I'd check your numbers again. 4.8m views with a total 5.3m, means she's been on Youtube for little over a day! That's clearly not right. Big hits these days have 1 Billion views, not millions. But you've proved to me time and time again that numbers aren't your strong point. Most of those streams and Spotify users must be outside the UK, because she's barely made a dent in the UK chart for most of the last decade and beyond.

It clearly didn't, you can see my orgiginal name is back and it's still on my unreported original account.

It never is when Madonna is discussed.

Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. If true, he had a point. Madonna has always leeched off the current hip producer to reproduce the current underground style more commercially. Jellybean Benitez, Shep, William Orbit, Mirwais to name a few.

When are we talking about? You mentioned he was faded in 2003, current enough then for Candle In The Wind to still be in the Canadian top 20.
Obviously, said event is no longer current, but with his films, top 10 greatest hits, recent studio and singles collaborations, HE very much is.

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Her official videos that are on her youtube, nit many, collectively have now, just over 5 billion views. More than all artists from her era. Her spotify figures are global, UK streams are not made public on Spotify only global. The past decade (we are only 3 years in) shes had just 1 release in the UK Vs Kylies 3 of which 2 are studio albums. If shes released less, she'll chart less. Between 2010 - 2019 Madonna has had 3 top 3 albums collectively selling around 1.5 million. In the US shes had 2 number 1 albums and a top 2 album and a top 5 remix album... more than artists of her era. And selling respectively the average for music sales today

The only reason you changed your username from David Carbines in the first place is because someone alerted your lengthy essays to the Madonnanation forum. The fact you changed it within an hour of your name being posted on there proves you're either a member, or a lurker.

Canada ???? Lol major music market then

He's only 'current' because of a final world tour.... his lockdown album
Was a covers album leaning on new talent. And with over 36 studio albums alone to Madonna's 14, how come globally she's managed to outsell him in half the time also, here in the UK too. His last studio album failed to top the UK charts and sold a paltry 100k here. Not to mention he lost out multiple times to Madonna at the Golden Globes. He's being kept current by his old hits and and young artists

They're mocking people like you and you still don't get it? lmao.

Madonna makes music to challenge, and provoke, to entertain. Its not for old conservative gays who prefer their idols bland, dull, inoffensive & opinion-less. Kylie is an LGBT parasite who's played it safe most of her career and never ventures too far from her box. That box being cheesy camp pop. When she does stray from it, the press are quick to boot her back into it. Impossible Princess anyone?! Lol she is no match for Madonna in any way shape or form. It must hurt you that Kylie herself has cited Madonna as her main inspiration and idol? Lol lets face it, the woman who was once labelled the poor mans Madonna, has benefitted immensely by xeroxing the bluprint Madonna provided almost a decade before Kylie the singing budgie, even got her first manufactured hit.

LGBT Parasite? Cut straight to the bone with that one pal. 🤣🤣

Her sister is a far more genuine ally

Her new music is so overdue.
After Hard Candy she puts out a new album every 4 years or so.
Her catalogue of classic hits is endless.
I hope some of her classic single re-chart once she starts touring.

Shes been steadily re releasing all her classic singles digitially. Find them on spotify

Why she has to lower herself to recording with him is what puzzles me. I thought Unholy was horrible. I've loved Madonna since I was a child and seeing her stoop this low is really sad. The stuff you said about Christine and The Queens and the Weeknd is interesting though. She's definitely attacking this from different angles. Good luck to her, but not him.

Yup. That's Queen of Pop Sam Smith accounted for, but what about Madonna? :-D

He needs an international icon to help him chart not some local act, sorry Kylie. We dont know her outside the UK 💅🏼

As much as both acts are utterly awful (both musically and their attitudes), there is no doubt that Samantha Smith is by far the bigger of the 2 acts right now.
Maybe not cumulatively over a career, but there's no way it needs a collaboration to be able to chart. Of all 3 acts (Mad, Sam, Kylie), the only one failing the chart solo with new material is Madonna. Although Kylie's charting is also a strange quirk.

PS the original comment was a deliberate pisstake of both acts

With over 400 million albums sold from Madonna alone, i'd say the takes on you x

Why drag Kylie into this filth? She’s got a hit on her own, thank you very much. Padam.

Hit?! Lol number 18 in the UK only 😬

And she has Madonna to thank yet again for paving the way; What helped the Kylie single land was indeed TikTok. Over the past year it has become one of the most vitally important platforms for breaking and discovering hit singles, pioneered by viral videos of Madonna's underground hits Back That Up & Frozen. They bypassed all the traditional media routes to become streaming hits in their own right earning her gold single status and a cult following among new, younger generations. But Kylie stans are still chasing chart numbers 😂 charts that basically mean nothing

18? lol. Anyone would think it's top 5, they way they're carrying on.

Not this century, son.

14 years since Madonna had a higher single.

Maybe because it's always her fans starting it, how's that for a hunch?

How many albums has kylie sold this century across the globe?? I wont wait LOL.

I do believe in Madonna's 40 year reign as the most successful, influential female touring & recording Artist of all time, she has sold over 400 million albums. Doesnt really matter when in those 40 years. She's sold them and continues to sell globally unlike her poor imitation kylie. And over 1.5 million tickets to her latest tour sold, with more dates being added. I imagine Kylies next tour will be yet another festival add on act... one top 40 single in 20 years wont change her trajectory. Especially as its only landed in the sad old UK 🤡

I think you're right. One top 40 single in 20 years won't change her downward trajectory. I'm not sure Kylie's will do a great deal either. Today's singles chart is a funny old game. I find it far harder to predict than in the physical era. The album chart has become easier to predict!

Believe what you want. You still have to reduce the claim by adding "female" and "solo" into most influencial and biggest selling due to so many male acts and groups keeping her out of the top 10. And let's face it, if we're talking current and future collaborations, last's century's sales don't matter, so it does matter 'when' they were sold. Before most of today's listeners parents were born. 5 years ago's trio of #1 albums (Kylie) don't really matter either in this context. They too are getting on a bit and irrelevent to this conversation. Unless you count that she still does sell in the UK unlike Madonna, but as you don't want to hear that you conveniently ignore it.

This local chart far more interesting and dynamic than any 'global' chart. It also includes local acts for local people, unlike aloof foreigners we will never see enter the country.

Madonna has precious little to nothing to do with Kylie's breakthrough. Her UK and music breakthrough was almost single-handedly down to Pete Waterman. And he saw her as a useful add-on to the roster by capitalising on the TV fame, which was Australia-only at the time. 'Bypassed all the traditional media routes'. Nice one grandad. Traditional media is dead for cutting edge music. By the time it gets to radio, it's already months old largely appealing only to old consumers who buy physical media in a digital world.
That's why so few heritage acts have any impact on the singles chart any more. Albums sales are so low that a loyal older fanbases buying out the first pressing can get them top 10 hits.

Nobody is keeping Madonna nor any other legacy act out of the top 10 other than their own respective fans not 'switching' to the newer formats such as streaming. If record companies dont produce the physical copies so sought after by their fans, then of course numbers will be low. Interesting that Madonna's last physical single to be released was Living For Love which also peaked at number 26 and sold around 200'000 copies. None of her other singles released thereafter have been available on a physical format unlike Kylie who's been releasing Ltd ed 7" vinyls & CD singles, resulting in a barely there presence on the chart. If Madonna were unpopular, her latest tour wouldnt have sold out so successfully with more dates/countries being added by the week. And Kylie isnt really selling more than Madonna in the UK at all. There are about 2-3 studio albums between them with Kylie the latter churning one out every other year inc extra hit packages. They've each sold around 120'000 copies. Compare that to Madonna's last 3 studio albums (which had half the formats AND a major leak of one) and they're pretty much comparable. Madonna maybe slightly more. Certainly on a global scale only the UK is keeping Kylies musical career afloat. Even in her own country Australia, her numbers of late are nothing to shout about. Even Madonna managed to land a number 1 album there with no new music to promo.

Kylie is Australian. Not British. Shes also one of those 'aloof' foreigners.

Madonna hasnt released any new music since 2019. What she has released has only been available on streaming unlike Kylie who needs to sell multiple formats just to get a chart placing in the lower reaches of the top 100. Its quite sad. And a cash loser for her record company.

I dont recall anyone stating Madonna was responsible for Kylies breakthrough, she became a manufactured popstar on the back of a TV soap opera, and luck. What i did say and as mentioned by Pete Waterman in his biog, creative director William Baker in his biog, & Kylie herself, Madonna provided the bluprint for her career which she has emulated numerous times. Its that emulation which drew the often frequent criticism in the media and her near exit from the UK charts during the 90's.

Releasing multiple formats is just marketing 101. Every artist does it. Madonna, Kylie, and every artist to hit the chart in the last 35 years. Why is this such a difficult concept to grasp? Madonna has release only on streaming and Kylie has released on many formats? Let's look at the results: Madonna 6 weeks in the top 40. Kylie 3 #1s, an old Christmas record reaching the top 40 for the first time and climber in the top 30. Far from just the lower reaches of top 100. I think it's fair to say that's Madonna's chart performance since 2019, not Kylie's.

Releasing multiple formats per album increases sales. Seems you have difficulty grasping the concepts of maths & averages. If 1 act releases 6 formats vs 21 formats for another, doesnt take a genius to workout who will sell more 'copies'. As for streaming, over 1000 streams of 1 album equals 1 album sale equivalent. So no comparison to an act who shoves out 21 variations of a rather average album. MDNA for example a number 1 world wide hit in 2012 had just 4 formats, Kylies nearest seller to that, the number 2 selling Kiss Me Once from 2014 had 8 formats. Fast forward to 2019 Madonna's most recent and last studio album, Madame X had 7 formats, Kylies Disco from 2021 had 21 formats. I'll leave you to work out the sales margin!

As for comparing Madonna's chart stats to Kylies?! Lol since 2012 Madonna has had just 3 albums on chart Vs Kylies 6. Why on earth would Madonna have more chart placings on any chart from less releases?? All her 3 studio albums placed at either number 1 or 2. 3 of Kylies releases were yet more hits collections that barely scraped the top 20. Hardly groundbreaking. More a case of quality over quantity. And if we look at their respective sales trajectories in the UK.... Madonna has sold over 26.5 million albums in the UK & 15 million singles vs Kylie at 10 million albums & just 6.5 million singles. Madonna also holds a slew of chart records over her rival. When Madonna gets round to outting out more official
Music. That margin will just continue to widen

She hasnt released any solo music since 2019 so how can you even tell if shes failing to chart solo??? Does an artist not have to release music for it to chart?? She has however had several gold singles on streaming charts and all her singles charted in the top 10 of the physical/digital sales chart since 2012. Madame X had just 1 official single release. Rebel Heart gave her 2 top 40 hits and MDNA, a surefire 14th number 1 single had chart rules not been changed 4 days after its lead single went on sale. A gimmick Kylie is now benefitting from as her latest single stalls outside the top 29

Kylie hit #1 on the physical sales chart for Padam. No physical sales (by any act at all) do much on the singles chart due to it being 98%+ streaming and 1%+ download. It's that way for quite some time. To any practical degree, physical singles sales are zero across the whole market.

With 30,000 being platinum in Australia, Australian numbers have never been worth shouting about, much like any country outside the 5 biggest markets (UK, US, Japan, Germany and I'm probably a bit too out of date to know the 5th, but it's really small, let alone the 25th you like to quote).

You'll know that 2017 saw the introduction of streaming to the UK chart. As all 3 of Madonna's were before this date, and all 3 of Kylie's after, they aren't in the least bit like-for-like. Even when you do compare like-for-like either physical, or streams, the change in those markets between the releases of Madonna and Kylie is night and day. In a similar way that CD singles fell off a cliff from 2003-2007, falling 75% in that time.

The more you write, the more apparent is becomes how little you know about the current and recent (last 20 years) recorded music industry, especially that of the UK, which is the point of discussion here. Even you quoted stats are not true and unverifyable. The days of a 200k-selling single failing to hit the UK top 20 are long gone. Although with 5,6,7,8 by Steps being the biggest selling single never to hit the top 10 (peak of #14), selling just 300,000, in the peak of the CD-era, I doubt that they ever happened. 200k with just 1 week in the top 40? Doubt it some how. The research I have done suggests it performed better here than US, struggling to hit the top 40 in every major territory and many minor ones unless it is a specialist format or genre chart.

Your claims do not add up. Can you substantiate them so I may change my mind?

My claims??? Not sure ive made any claims as such unlike yourself who rather conveniently misses out bits, and inserts bit here and there from music week etc to suit your own narrative. Maybe you actually work as a journo for the UK charts. Either way. You're pretty flawed yourself

Is it a fact the music industry has declined since 2000 affecting all legacy acts pre streaming??? Mainly as a result of illegal downloading - Madonna being the most illegally downloaded artist of the modern era? Of course it has! Is it a fact ALL artists careers move in peaks and toughs? Of course they do... is it a fact increased weeks on chart do not always represent high sales? Of course it doesnt. There are a number of examples that reflect this. Is it a fact the more an artists puts out creatively, the more chart placings and sales they garner.... of course. But you seem bizarrely obsessed by chart placings and weeks on chart using a lack of them in Madonna's case, to build your argument that she is less popular than Elton, Kylie, ABBA, Queen or any other act for thst matter. Fact is, she just hasnt released as much artistically. Wouldnt that reflect in her chart presence???? I think so

Foreign, yes. Aloof, no. Plus she owes her international fame to Stock-Aitken-Waterman. English producers.