Kylie Minogue announces brand-new single My Oh My

Let's face it, even these "Z-list" collaborators have had more UK success than Madonna over the last 15 years. Even Kylie herself admits Padam was a fluke. Most hits are.

Even #1s are relatively minor hits these days. The sheer number of weeks on chart per the biggest hits shows this. The odd million seller spread out over 2-3 years now instead of 15-30 weeks in the physical era.

yeah the difference is when collabing with new artists, madonna chooses to collab with very popular acts. you mentioned nicki and britney already, but i’d also add playboi carti, the weeknd, sam smith and justin timberlake.

kylie is collabing with two acts who can’t get a hit by themselves anymore. i mean look at the sales for bebe’s albums, they’re dismal

Dua and Sia weren't popular artists?

It's rather strange to compare Madonna to Tove and Bebe, considering they haven't been in the game that long. None of their albums troubled the UK top 15, let alone #1 like MDNA, or 2: Rebel Heart and Madame X.

@Thomsy26,

Couldn't agree more. Kylie's fans were never the sharpest tools in the box, so I love how everything they mock Madonna for always backfires and happens to Kylie.

Madonna's collaborations look like A-listers next to this pitiful list...

Bebe, Tove Lo, Orville Peck, Oliver Heldens, Jake Shears, The Wiggles, Hurts, Jason Donovan, Towa Tei, Taio Cruz, Sam Sparro, Jack Soveretti, Keith Washington, Jessie Ware, Years & Years, Sigala, Mika. lol

One big difference: Kylie still gets top billing.

Another difference is that Madonna's collaborators have more success than she has had in their lifetimes. The time Madonna was having more success than any of the mentioned modern artists was before they were born!

If you seriously think Madonna wouldn't get top billing, you're fooling yourself. The fact is she's simply not interested.

"Madonna's collaborators have had more success than she has in their lifetime"? lmao.

You know as well as I do that's not true. You were arguing black's white that Popular was her record, when in fact The Weeknd asked her to appear on his record. She was so interested in the proposition, she accepted not even 2nd billing, but THIRD!

Yeh, actually I've just looked up Tove Lo and she's getting on a bit. I thought she was young enough for my other statement to be true. Although like-for-like, since her debut, she has had more weeks on chart than Madonna. One metric of success. The same is true for Bebe Rehxa as we are counting collaborations. Weeknd's chart success since his debut stands head and shoulders above Madonna's in the same period (Jan 2015 for solo singles, 2012 for collaborations and albums). The last time Madonna was having more success than The Weeknd is having now, was before he was born.

As if the disco dolly got top billing on all her collaborations. In fact, 10 out of 10 (ironically titled) is listed as an Oliver Helden's track.  She's listed as a secondary artist on Dance Tonight, same on Orville Peck's Midnight Ride, and these are within the last few years.

"The Weeknd's chart success stands head and shoulders above Madonna's in the same time period"

LOL

Comparing Madonna's last 12 years (starting from her 30th year onwards) to The Weeknd's first 12 makes no sense. It would make more sense to compare their first 12 years, but you don't want to do that because her stats and sales would knock him into next week. Going by your logic and standards, even Michael Jackson's 30th year in the music business would seem like a flop compared to The Weeknd's first 12 years.

Other huge artists like Prince, Janet, Mariah, George Michael and Kylie's last 12 years aren't as impressive as the Weeknd's either, but how typical of you to single out Madonna with your ridiculous standards. lol, His last few singles haven't exactly set the world alight either. He was already on a slippery slope to Lauperville when he released that FLOP single from Avatar 2 (Before "Popular"), and that movie was a hit. lol

My "standards" as you put it, is real time. Not the fantasy of moving careers to equal starts. The Weeknd cannot collaborate with debutant Madonna, he has to collaborate with 35-years-past-her-best Madonna. Mostly because he wasn't born then. I am comparing current career vs current career. He is also current top 10 on the album chart with a 3 year old release that has never left the top 40.

Fine, you can compare career start vs career start, but the real world doesn't work like that. Nor am I singling Madonna out. She's not special enough to get that treatment. I never said or implied Kylie's last 12 years were as good as Weeknd's. But they are better than Madonna's by some distance.

Don't know about you, but I'm talking about hit singles and albums, yet you have to bring up random album tracks to denegrate Kylie (that only fans would know about). Because, on her recent stuff (and most of the career) she is solo or top billing as I've previously said. Something that Madonna cannot claim because it simply isn't true.

But, as you suggest, let's compare random part-careers with current ones. Michael Jackson's 30th year in the music business? If my calculations are correct, (having started at 5 years old in 1963, his first year - thus 1993 would be his 31st),  I make that 1992 . 6 weeks before that he would release Dangerous. A flop compared to 2 albums earlier, but that's what happens when you release the biggest selling album in the history of the world ever.

That said, Dangerous still went on to sell over 10m (8.8m of which were in the decade itself to make it the 47th best selling 1990s album).

According to 100 Best-Selling albums Of The 90s (Hothouse, ISBN 1-84561-008-3). A list, it may be noted, on which Madonna does not appear. Beaten to it by Vanilla Ice and Kenny G.

Not to mention one of the biggest tours in history to go along with it. You picked a bad example there.